Draft:The 2nd Amendment was intended for personal self-defense

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False.

  • 2A establishes state-level, regulated militias to protect the federal government from domestic insurrection.
  • 2A does not give anyone the right to possess weapons for personal protection, or to threaten the US government.
  • The Constitution says Congress (not Walmart) shall provide the weapons for gun-owners.
  • The Constitution says States have the authority to require training for gun-owners.

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Retort Deep-Dive[edit | edit source]

"what arms meant at the time the constitution was written." But we're NOT talking about arms IN-GENERAL. Rather, we're talking about MILITIA ARMS IN PARTICULAR.

Constitution-era militia weapons were NOT equivalent to today's weapons, in power, speed, accuracy and raw killing capability.

Reasonably, for an infantryman to serve his state militia, he only needs ONE GUN. NOT AN ARMORY.


The 2nd amendment was NOT intended for self-defense, or to protect the citizens from the government. Both claims are false. The exact opposite is true.

The 2nd amendment was explicitly intended to protect the government from all threats, foreign invaders and citizen rebellions.

Let's examine the 2nd Amendment:


TEXT:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Amendment 2, Article II http://constitutionus.com/#a1s8c15

What did "militia"' mean to the Framers? Well, let's see what ELSE the Constitution says about "militias":

"The Congress shall have Power To: provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;" Article 1, Section 8

"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States" Article 2, Section 2

-- In other words, The Militias are STATE military entities, organized, armed, and disciplined BY THE GOVERNMENT, which function in the service of the government. The U.S. President is Commander of the state Militias. Their responsibility includes PROTECTING THE GOVERNMENT FROM REBELLIONS BY THE PEOPLE (and NOT protecting the people from the government).


HISTORY:

What were militias, historically?

NO VERSION of "militia", going back almost A THOUSAND YEARS, supports a citizen's right to own guns for "self-defense", or to protect citizens from government tyranny.

In about 1100, militias were local defense forces. For example: INDIAN RAID.

Greedy Indians, hoarding all their food, and not sharing any with the European invaders who did not know what they were doing. First World Problems! Anyway, colonists and pioneers continued to grab land from the Native Americans and wipe out the Buffalo, oops i mean "settle the land", for about 500 years.

By about 1700, (a century before the 2nd Amendment was ratified), more people owned land than when militias first appeared during the pioneer days. Most landowners opted to pay a fee to get out of militia service. So during the 1700's, the militias were almost entirely poor whites.

In 1789, the year the 2nd Amendment was ratified, this is what a typical "militia" looked like:

- Southern states to catch runaway slaves.

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Today, states recognize 2 kinds of militias:

- "Organized militia": an official military entity, with registered members. 
- "Unorganized militia": every able-bodied man 17 to 45 years. AKA "Reserve Militia". 

BOTH MILITIA-TYPES REPRESENT THE STATE GOVERNMENT-- NOT THEMSELVES AS PRIVATE CITIZENS.

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(United_States)

An example of "unorganized militia" activity: in 1919, soldiers from the Illinois Reserve Militia prepared to respond to potential rioting from armed, striking workers at the Keystone Steel and Wire Company.

THE 2ND AMENDMENT DID *NOT* GIVE THE STRIKING WORKERS A RIGHT TO BEAR THOSE ARMS. THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE. THE ILLINOIS RESERVE MILITIA WAS EMPOWERED BY THE 2ND AMENDMENT TO DEFEND KEYSTONE STEEL AGAINST THOSE ARMED STRIKERS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Reserve_Militia#Legal_status


"WELL-REGULATED"

There are 2 ways we can interpret "well-regulated":

- We might define "well-regulated militia" to include ONLY the Organized State Militias, and NOT the Unorganized Militia:

If you're only a non-registered member of the unorganized militia (due to being an able-bodied male), and you're not registered with the organized state-militia, then you are not a member of the "well-regulated militia", and therefor the constitution does not permit you to own a gun.

- Or, we could define "well-regulated militia" to include the "unorganized militia" (every able-bodied male)

If you're a non-registered member of the unorganized militia (due to being an able-bodied male), then, by the Constitution, the ONLY purpose of your gun is to serve the state militia when called to duty by the government.

WITH BOTH TYPES OF MILITIA, THE ONLY TIME AND PURPOSE OF GUN-USE PERMITTED BY THE 2ND AMENDMENT IS FOR GOVERNMENT-ORDERED MILITARY DUTY. NOT PERSONAL SELF-DEFENSE, NOT HUNTING, NOT VIGILANTISM, NOT PRIVATE SECURITY.


So, which militia are you? Take your pick. Every kind of militia, going back 1,000 years, from hunting black people, to slaughtering native Americans, to shooting striking laborers, exists to serve the legal system, and is controlled by the government.

No definition of "militia" in North America, going back almost 1,000 years, supports a citizens right to pack a gun for personal protection. THERE IS NO OTHER TYPE OF MILITIA.