Draft:All governments are tyrannical by nature.

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  • That's why citizens need guns.

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I think we agree that governments should not harm or intimidate their own citizens, and govt's should abide the natural, civil, and human rights of citizens.

But i don't agree with you that all govt's, equally and by-definition, violate those principles. I don't agree with you that any effort to organize people and resources will automatically lead to tyranny.

To support my view that govt's are not all the same, and that some strongly represent the good of the populace, i offer country-by-country comparisons in the comments below. I list various types of gov't abuses, like police brutality, death penalty, and abuse of power. I also list examples of good gov't, like transparency, the freedom to protest, and a strong people's-voice in national decisions.

Notice that some govt's score well on some things, badly on others-- including the USA. We definitly have work to do. But i don't agree that the solution is to tear down the whole system using violence.

- Transparency: Tyrants generally don't want the populace to know what they're up to. http://www.oecd.org/gov/digital-government/open-government-data.htm

https://www.oecd.org/gov/government-at-a-glance-2017-highlights-en.pdf pic on HD

- Police Brutality

- Police Armaments

- Militarism The EU has no standing army. Instead, under its common security and defence policy (CSDP), it relies on ad hoc forces contributed by EU countries. https://europa.eu/european-union/topics/foreign-security-policy_en

- Secret Police

- Torture

- Death Penalty

- Military Arms

- Psychiatric Abuses

- Assassination of Citizens

- Incarceration http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison_population_rate?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All

pic on HD

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/files/2015/06/tapiouse1.jpg&w=1484

https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/files/2015/04/incarcerationgraphic.jpg

http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/Portals/0/Documents/Tapio%20Lappi-Sepp%C3%A4l%C3%A4%20London%202015.pdf

- Civil Rights https://freedomhouse.org/report/fiw-2017-table-country-scores

- Corruption http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Government/Government-corruption-rating#-amount

- Authoritarianism https://infographics.economist.com/2017/DemocracyIndex/ "Constraints on Government Powers, Absence of Corruption, Open Government, Fundamental Rights" https://worldjusticeproject.org/sites/default/files/documents/RoLI_Final-Digital_0.pdf pic on HD http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/the-worlds-most-authoritarian-destinations/

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https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018

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